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	<description>I'm a Christian leftist eccentric.  You figure it out.</description>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2006 19:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm with Jake on the "plug-pulling" issue, and I don't think that's the doctor-assisted suicide that he was talking about. I think he was referring not to removal of life support, but introduction of a substance that does the actually finishing. Natural causes versus a drug that gets the job done. I don't think that the Lord would be pleased with that, regardless whatever intended mercies the doctor intends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Jake on the &#8220;plug-pulling&#8221; issue, and I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s the doctor-assisted suicide that he was talking about. I think he was referring not to removal of life support, but introduction of a substance that does the actually finishing. Natural causes versus a drug that gets the job done. I don&#8217;t think that the Lord would be pleased with that, regardless whatever intended mercies the doctor intends.</p>
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		<title>By: Jakobatsy der Dieter man</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jakobatsy der Dieter man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2006 18:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am glad to see that you finished up against abortion, and suicide with a consistent ethic of life, something the catholic church is big on.  I believe in a dual position however which is somewhat complicated.  Primarily it only affects the second of your points in that section.  I also believe while life is most important, compassion is key too.

Ergo...the gal on life support who can't possibly feed herself and has no quality of life....and no forseeable chance to be "fixed" within her lifetime.  Pulling the plug so to speak is compassion.  It is also trusting in God to do his work of mercy with that person.  An example of how your idea might go wrong goes like this.  A doctor discovers a drug that allows people to live indefinitely and with a healthy activity level and look.  Do you choose to do so?  as a christian?  I don't....but removing one's self from the drug by asking the Dr. to do so is not "murder" by either one of us, but rather an act of faith, a belief in something better.

It might be said that compassion could be extended the same way if a 12 y.o. girl were raped and brutaly murdered.  Say the girl's mother wants the death penalty.  Those "in the action" are not acting on compassion but vengance; and that is the Lords.  

In the words of Ghandi, and is evidenced by the current situation in Lebanon, "An eye for an eye will make the whole world blind".  We must above all as Christians I believe try to understand and love and to curb our natural tendencies towards anger and revenge.

But defintiely glad you added to the "Manifesto", a good birthday present to me.  

As to your original purpose I agree "Church and State must be seperate in their legal nature always, but in the sense that morality/religion can't influence it on an individual level is ludicrous and will never be....unless the frenchies take over that is....

Another question, what is "the church" in your mind these days?

I see the "churches", and it makes me sad, but I must confess it probably works better that way in a pragmatic sense.

oh well gotta work...Jacob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am glad to see that you finished up against abortion, and suicide with a consistent ethic of life, something the catholic church is big on.  I believe in a dual position however which is somewhat complicated.  Primarily it only affects the second of your points in that section.  I also believe while life is most important, compassion is key too.</p>
<p>Ergo&#8230;the gal on life support who can&#8217;t possibly feed herself and has no quality of life&#8230;.and no forseeable chance to be &#8220;fixed&#8221; within her lifetime.  Pulling the plug so to speak is compassion.  It is also trusting in God to do his work of mercy with that person.  An example of how your idea might go wrong goes like this.  A doctor discovers a drug that allows people to live indefinitely and with a healthy activity level and look.  Do you choose to do so?  as a christian?  I don&#8217;t&#8230;.but removing one&#8217;s self from the drug by asking the Dr. to do so is not &#8220;murder&#8221; by either one of us, but rather an act of faith, a belief in something better.</p>
<p>It might be said that compassion could be extended the same way if a 12 y.o. girl were raped and brutaly murdered.  Say the girl&#8217;s mother wants the death penalty.  Those &#8220;in the action&#8221; are not acting on compassion but vengance; and that is the Lords.  </p>
<p>In the words of Ghandi, and is evidenced by the current situation in Lebanon, &#8220;An eye for an eye will make the whole world blind&#8221;.  We must above all as Christians I believe try to understand and love and to curb our natural tendencies towards anger and revenge.</p>
<p>But defintiely glad you added to the &#8220;Manifesto&#8221;, a good birthday present to me.  </p>
<p>As to your original purpose I agree &#8220;Church and State must be seperate in their legal nature always, but in the sense that morality/religion can&#8217;t influence it on an individual level is ludicrous and will never be&#8230;.unless the frenchies take over that is&#8230;.</p>
<p>Another question, what is &#8220;the church&#8221; in your mind these days?</p>
<p>I see the &#8220;churches&#8221;, and it makes me sad, but I must confess it probably works better that way in a pragmatic sense.</p>
<p>oh well gotta work&#8230;Jacob</p>
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		<title>By: Ploafmaster General</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ploafmaster General</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I agree that these are essentially moral issues, it's difficult to deny that these have also become major political issues as well.  I address them from a moral/religious standpoint because that's my foundation.

I suppose it's more implicit that I'm saying what I think about the political involvement here...and in the next political post, further relevance of this post to "politics" will be seen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree that these are essentially moral issues, it&#8217;s difficult to deny that these have also become major political issues as well.  I address them from a moral/religious standpoint because that&#8217;s my foundation.</p>
<p>I suppose it&#8217;s more implicit that I&#8217;m saying what I think about the political involvement here&#8230;and in the next political post, further relevance of this post to &#8220;politics&#8221; will be seen.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jul 2006 23:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most of these should have been under a "Morality" post, I believe. While we have legislation (or the desire for legislation) in regards to most of these, your opinions about them here are concerned strictly with your beliefs about each item, rather than with a government action. Church and state excepted, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of these should have been under a &#8220;Morality&#8221; post, I believe. While we have legislation (or the desire for legislation) in regards to most of these, your opinions about them here are concerned strictly with your beliefs about each item, rather than with a government action. Church and state excepted, of course.</p>
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